1point N, and in any other except thoſe two A and B, the ſaid
ſtar ſhall no longer be obſerved in the line A B; but in others.
So that, if the appearing under ſeveral lines ought to cauſe
apparent mutations, ſome difference muſt needs appear in
this caſe. Nay more, I will ſpeak it with that Philoſophical
freedom, which ought to be allowed amongſt Philoſophick
friends, methinks that you, contradicting your ſelf, deny that
now, which but even now to our admiration, you proved to be
really true, and conſiderable; I mean that which happeneth in
the Planets, and particularly in the three ſuperiour ones, that
being conſtantly in the Ecliptick, or very near unto it, do not
onely ſhew themſelves one while near unto us, and another
while remote, but ſo deformed in their regular motions, that
they ſeem ſometimes immoveable, and ſometimes many
grees retrograde; and all upon no other occaſion than the
nual motion of the Earth.
ſtar ſhall no longer be obſerved in the line A B; but in others.
So that, if the appearing under ſeveral lines ought to cauſe
apparent mutations, ſome difference muſt needs appear in
this caſe. Nay more, I will ſpeak it with that Philoſophical
freedom, which ought to be allowed amongſt Philoſophick
friends, methinks that you, contradicting your ſelf, deny that
now, which but even now to our admiration, you proved to be
really true, and conſiderable; I mean that which happeneth in
the Planets, and particularly in the three ſuperiour ones, that
being conſtantly in the Ecliptick, or very near unto it, do not
onely ſhew themſelves one while near unto us, and another
while remote, but ſo deformed in their regular motions, that
they ſeem ſometimes immoveable, and ſometimes many
grees retrograde; and all upon no other occaſion than the
nual motion of the Earth.
Objections againſt
the Earths annual
motion taken from
the fixed stars
placed in the
cliptick.
the Earths annual
motion taken from
the fixed stars
placed in the
cliptick.
SALV. Though by a thouſand accidents I have been
fore aſſured of the wittineſſe of Sagredus, yet I had a deſire by
this one experiment more to aſcertain me of what I may expect
from his ingenuity, and all this for my own intereſt, for in caſe
my Propoſitions ſtand but proof againſt the hammer and
nace of his judgment, I ſhall be confident that they will abide
the ^{*} teſt of all Touch-ſtones. I ſay therefore that I had
poſely diſſembled this objection, but yet not with any intent to
deceive you, and to put any falſhood upon you, as it might
have happened if the objection by me diſguiſed, and by you
ver-lookt, had been the ſame in effect as it ſeemed to be in
pearance, that is, really valid and concluſive; but it is not ſo;
nay I rather ſuſpect that to try me, you make as if you did not
ſee its nullity. But I will herein be too hard for you, and force
from your tongue, that which you would ſo artificially conceal;
and therefore tell me, what that thing ſhould be, whereby you
come to know the ſtation and retrogradation of the Planets,
which is derived from the annual motion, aud which is ſo great,
that at leaſt ſome foot-ſteps of ſuch an effect ought to appear in
the ſtars of the Ecliptick?
fore aſſured of the wittineſſe of Sagredus, yet I had a deſire by
this one experiment more to aſcertain me of what I may expect
from his ingenuity, and all this for my own intereſt, for in caſe
my Propoſitions ſtand but proof againſt the hammer and
nace of his judgment, I ſhall be confident that they will abide
the ^{*} teſt of all Touch-ſtones. I ſay therefore that I had
poſely diſſembled this objection, but yet not with any intent to
deceive you, and to put any falſhood upon you, as it might
have happened if the objection by me diſguiſed, and by you
ver-lookt, had been the ſame in effect as it ſeemed to be in
pearance, that is, really valid and concluſive; but it is not ſo;
nay I rather ſuſpect that to try me, you make as if you did not
ſee its nullity. But I will herein be too hard for you, and force
from your tongue, that which you would ſo artificially conceal;
and therefore tell me, what that thing ſhould be, whereby you
come to know the ſtation and retrogradation of the Planets,
which is derived from the annual motion, aud which is ſo great,
that at leaſt ſome foot-ſteps of ſuch an effect ought to appear in
the ſtars of the Ecliptick?
* Or will prove
of good alloy.
of good alloy.
SAGR. This demand of yours containeth two queſtions, to
which it is neceſſary that I make reply; the firſt relates to the
imputation which you lay upon me of a Diſſembler; the other
concerneth that which may appear in the ſtars, &c. As to the
firſt, I will ſay with your permiſſion, that it is not true, that I
have diſſembled my knowing the nullity of that objection; and
to aſſure you of the ſame, I now tell you that I very well
ſtand the nullity thereof.
which it is neceſſary that I make reply; the firſt relates to the
imputation which you lay upon me of a Diſſembler; the other
concerneth that which may appear in the ſtars, &c. As to the
firſt, I will ſay with your permiſſion, that it is not true, that I
have diſſembled my knowing the nullity of that objection; and
to aſſure you of the ſame, I now tell you that I very well
ſtand the nullity thereof.
SALV. But yet I do not underſtand how it can be, that you